I Now Pronounce You…

Dear Editor:

Homosexuals being in love and in a committed same-sex relationship is a theme of recent letters written to sway the legislature from banning homosexual marriage. Love and commitment were mentioned as though they were the norm in homosexual relationships.

As www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_Statistics demonstrates, there are dozens of things wrong with the gay life, one being that homosexuals don’t usually have committed relationships with one another. Theirs are more quick-timish, and that rather than relationships between one another, it’s more like between one and all the others.

Dr. Maria Xiridou of the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service published a study of young male Dutch homosexuals in the May 2003 issue of the journal AIDS that showed that homosexual partnerships last on average only eighteen months. Additionally, they have an average of eight partners a year outside of their main partnership.

Love and commitment are terms being co-opted by homosexuals to serve their agenda. It is necessary to soften up America with propaganda in order to accomplish their desire, which is an unlimited supply of raw material to satisfy consumption.

Prominent homosexual advocate Daniel Villarreal, lamenting that gay activists usually deny that they want to indoctrinate children, said: “Let’s face it—that’s a lie. Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach kids about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal? Recruiting children? You bet we are. We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it”.

Why does their future depend on indoctrination? Because they can’t reproduce. They can only recruit. And our schools are the best source of the raw material needed to satisfy their expansive appetites.

Rod Bergengren

  • http://isanticountynews.com karen

    I am so sick of conservatives being afraid of people that don’t think like them. I don’t know about Dutch homosexuals, but I would most American gay couples that I know (I will admit, I don’t know a lot but probably more than Mr. Bergengren) are looking to be married not for the sexual benefits that come with marriage but because they do, indeed, love one another. On the other hand, I know many heterosexuals that are married and continue to have partners outside of their marriage. Many of them are probably the same conservatives that continue to put down others’ lifestyles. I understand the Bible says a marriage is a union between a man and a woman. The Bible also says we are to love one another, that we are not to commit adultery, that we are not to covet what our neighbors have, that we are not to take the Lord’s name in vain….. Who are you to judge another’s sins as less than your own? Why not make a loveless marriage illegal… if you don’t love one another, you should not be able to have the benefits of a couple who does love another. If two homosexual people love each other and can show others how to love another, why shouldn’t they be able to make a family? Again, I know gays that make better parents than a lot of heterosexuals. Why not make it illegal for people with no parenting skills to have children outside of a marriage? Maybe a little bit of tolerance wouldn’t be such a bad idea….

  • Anthony

    After reading this, I have to say that I have never been so appalled or ashamed to acknowledge where I am from. As a gay man living in this community, I have to say that I’m not really shocked that this was published. Obviously, this community, as a whole, has learned nothing from the recent national trends of moving towards equality and acceptance, and moving away from bigotry. This community, as a whole, is rather embracing its naivete and refusing to change and develop. I challenge anyone in this community to prove that I am less human than the next. I have my Masters Degree in Psychology (and I do know how to conduct and review research without using a “pedia” as a reference), I contribute to society, and I only want to live my life without having to defend who I am. I do not “indoctrinate”, I have no “agenda” (other than rocking out my swimsuit this beach season), and I want to be able to look back on my time in this community without shame and regret. This community needs to grow and develop along with the current times. We are not still in the 50s, despite commonly held notions. Again, my challenge still stands and I eagerly await proof that I am undeserving of respect and tolerance and that I am less human than the next.

    • Travis

      Tony- You continue to be a rockstar. And as someone else living in this terribly “under a rock” town, I agree, I am also ashamed to come from such a judgemental community. SO SAD.

  • John

    I am very heavily conservative… This is a very simple case in my mind. If you argue gay marriage against the bible there is absolutely no question, can’t do it. You can’t change what already is. However, the great men that wrote our constitution made it VERY clear that there is a separation between state and religion. So if your argument is simply based on the bible, then your argument holds no ground.

    I’m sorry Mr. Bergengren, but there is absolutely no way you can look at what you wrote without knowing those are worst case scenerios and that the same thing can be said vice versa. If that’s really how you feel then in twenty years you would have to be arguing to ban marriage all together if the divorce rate, adultry, and increasing number of partners for straight people continue to rise at this rate.

  • Amy Bangoura

    I am beyond sickened that this letter was published in a newspaper! As a straight woman with many homosexual friends/relatives, I can say that Mr. Bergengren’s “research” was nothing more than a one-sided review of homophobic propaganda. I have homosexual friends that have been in committed relationships longer than me & most of my heterosexual friends; perhaps this man should have researched heterosexual “promiscuity”, I’m sure the results would be astounding! Has he ever stopped to consider that perhaps homosexual men/women struggle to find a partner because of people like him? So many young men & women are ashamed & frightened to come out about their sexuality for fear of ridicule, or even violence. I can’t imagine how difficult it would be to be in a relationship that you felt you had to hide, either because one partner hasn’t come out yet, or because neither partner wants to face hatred. Mr. Bergengren should research the suicide statistics for homosexual men & women, and then take a long look in the mirror & ask himself if he’s part of the solution, or part of the problem.

  • Zack

    I am beyond beyond disgusted at this editorial, not only with the words and false lies it contains, but that fact that a newspaper like the Isanti County News would even consider publishing such a hatred filled piece. Shame on you Mr. Rod Bergengren for progressing the ideas that rural Minnesotan’s are nothing but bigots and ill-informed people who are not open to diversity. Shame on you editors who accepted this as a legitimate piece of writing, with facts based on years old, bias studies. Finally, shame on me for thinking I was a part of a community that was open to love and people who are not that same as each other. I can only hope more people speak out and prove me wrong there.

  • Anna

    My uncle and his partner were in a COMMITTED relationship for over 60 yrs and when he died my uncle didn’t go out and find someone new..now that is called commitment!!! They out lasted my parents marriage.. get a grip people and let people be who they are..

  • Tom

    Did you really say that there is a gay agenda to recruit kids into becoming homosexuals through the schools? Really? Are you serious? Come on, you’re kidding, right? Seeing how homosexuality has been around since, I don’t know, forever, it’s kinda hard to think that there is an agenda. And you’re saying that these terms are being co-opted (love and commitment) are being used to soften up America for a gay agenda so that there will be what, more gay people? It doesn’t work like that. People who are straight don’t become gay and vice versa. But the real issue that’s being talked about in Mn isn’t about letting gay people get married. There are already laws prohibiting that in this state. The issue is banning it. There does NOT need to be a state amendment banning this. But I agree, you are right. There is an agenda. Held by the republican party in this state. (and abroad) The representative that put this measure on the floor isn’t a freshman. He’s been in office for many years. So why wasn’t this measure brought up before? Because, in his own words, he didn’t have enough votes to pass it until there was a majority of republicans to back him up. And the only two arguments for this ban? Because the Bible says so and let people vote. The two weakest arguments for this ban. I’m not saying that you have to like gay people, but if this amendment passes, it will be overturned! (see: prohibition) Sir, there is no gay agenda. They just want the same rights that African Americans and Women have fought for in the past. To be treated equally. I am not appalled, astounded, nor sickened by this, I am saddened. That you’re bigotry, (and there is no argument that people who would vote to ban this are bigots) will keep others from wanting to be happy. Just because you aren’t, doesn’t mean you need to help make the world a darker place for others. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Villarreal’s comment wasn’t about recruiting children to be gay. It was about accepting the sexuality of gay people so that horrific events like what happened to homosexuals during the holocaust aren’t repeated.

  • Brian

    These kind of views sre unacceptable in a civilized society. Truth & love have a wonderful history of silencing people like Mr. Bergengren. Remember all the southern leaders who sheepishly “came around” on the civil rights issue once it became socially unacceptable to be a racist? That’s exactly where this issue is headed. And in a few short years, when Mr. Bergengren feels humiliated that he ever published something this hateful and absurd, I trust that his friends, family, neighbors, church… and society at large, will have already changed his mind.

    And when that day comes, Mr. Bergenegren, we’ll forgive you… because love always wins!

  • http://isanticountynews.com karen

    Don’t be mad at the newspaper… it was a letter to the editor with Rod Bergengren’s name on it. It is not the opinion of the newspaper… it was his. If the News only presented one side of an argument, they would be as closed minded as some of our legislators. That is why we have letters to the editor and blogs like this.

    • Travis

      Just consider the CONTENT of the letter. He could have used more tact.

  • Rod Bergengren

    Karen, your letter is well written. Thank you for the reply. (And thank you now all the others, as I notice it has become.)

    Karen, you use the word ‘afraid’. For me fear is not involved. Perhaps you use ‘afraid’ because in general the term ‘homophobia’ has been brought to the argument by homosexuals. That’s an example of co-opting by them… in this case a branding by proxy… with the identical aim of their attempted usurping of the terms ‘love’ and ‘commitment’. It’s a word game, a propaganda ploy, designed to cast others in a particular light and sway opinions.

    It’s in the nature of man to recognize differences in people. Just as when a hunter spots differences among what he views, perhaps a horizontal object among verticals… implying game among trees, or a photograph is viewed that contains a shapely person among several tons of otherwise, (opposite sex only need apply). This is natural. And not unhealthy of itself.

    When we use neutral differences that we perceive in others, such as skin color, to in our minds defame, we then must plead guilty to the argument you are speaking of, that of judging “people that don’t think like them”. But that isn’t what is happening in the case of homosexualism. It can’t be cast in the thought-vein of ‘conservative versus liberal’, or ‘reactionary versus progressive’. Why? Because homosexuals do more things wrong than think. They act out their thoughts. That is at the center of antipathy toward them.

    What happens with approaching the condition of homosexuality as you do here… you are not alone… is that we judge ourselves by ourselves. You mention the Bible, and this is a Biblical point. We judge man according to man… sort of an up-date of Flip Wilson’s “Church of What’s Happening Now”… by claiming that homosexualism isn’t bad, just different. It’s similar to my thinking that I’m going to heaven since I’m not a bad person. Stalin and Mao and Hitler and Pol Pot and Bundy and Dahmer and Manson… they were (Manson is still alive), bad. Judging by them, I’m in good shape. Yippee! I’m in.

    But God is benignly autocratic, not democratic. Majority rule among His subjects is of no consequence, except negative consequence when we think otherwise. In very clear Biblical fashion… and multiple times… God has laid out for us His precept against homosexuality. It is not at all implied in Scripture that homosexual acts are allowed to slip under the wire, that the lifestyle is condoned as being one of different strokes for different folks, and therefor okay. Exactly the opposite.

    An appeal to love does no good. If you think about it you’ll come up with examples of love gone awry, such that a love someone has for another is clearly upside-down from what should be. A blatant illustration would be the love a pedophile has for a toddler. Another is the love, and attending lust, that a person may have for a barnyard animal… wanting even to become legally married. These are examples of unhealthy love. Homosexualism is among them.

    Why can I say that? I can say it in reference to Scripture and also in appeal to nature. If it were natural for a person to be homosexual, then observation of mankind would lead us in the direction of that realization. But the opposite is the case.

    A couple decades ago or so there was a big push among homosexuals to discover a ‘queer gene’, the thing that made some of us humans to be born that way. They were looking mostly at the pineal gland at the base of the brain as I recall. It didn’t happen. They still can’t find it, wherever they look, if they still are. But an anthropologic look at mankind should be sufficient to set them straight about the lack of the miracle gene they need. The incidence of homosexuality varies among cultures to a much higher degree than would be allowed by the existence of the gene they need. There are some cultures where homosexuality is almost completely unknown. So that if there actually were a gene that made some of us queer, it would be proportionately expressed throughout mankind – all cultures.

    A further argument against is that of natural selection. If you hold to macro-evolution… I don’t, but if you do… then you’ll admit that man evolved in too strange a fashion for homosexuality to be natural. This is because if we ascribe to evolution the power of determination, that is, the ability to ferret out, perhaps by trial and error, the best way to go in proliferation of the species, then homosexuals not being able to reproduce sexually has weaned them out of consideration in a ‘survival of the fittest’ scenario.

    To ensure the correctness of this line of assumption… should macro-evolution be the rule, but also among Intelligent Design believers like me… is the fact that men don’t possess good receptacles for the semen injection devices of other men. Anal cavities don’t get it… figuratively speaking only, of course. A womb is the only proper place known. One reason AIDS is transmitted as well as it is in western society, is that the anus and its intestine aren’t designed to withstand invading biologicals very well.

    There is a political corollary to ‘survival of the fittest’ that was brought home to us on 9/11. Fanatic islamists, maybe even most islamists, look upon the West as decadent. It is the task of their true believer to purge the world of infidels. Purging by rhetoric isn’t the weapon of choice. Violence is. What bin laden and his bots performed on 9/11 was an act of obedience within their errant belief system. They were seeking to prepare the way for the mahdi… their and satan’s counterpart to the Christ of Christian Scripture… to arrive on Earth, bringing whatever they expect to be brought. Maybe more virgins.

    The more we are seen as decadent… and what greater decadence is there in the eyes of a moslem extremist than homosexuality?… the greater the chance that we will be under missile attack in the future. Perhaps you know, it only takes one nuclear bomb exploded over the center of the country at about sixty miles up, to disrupt (in essence fry) almost all of our electronic communications and control systems by the electro-magnetic pulse its detonation would create. That’s nationwide, except for Hawaii and Alaska. No fuel being produced or transported in winter; no motor vehicle operation; no food delivery. Everything stops. Pack a medium range missile vertically in the hold of a modified rusty old freighter, sail it through international waters and launch a few hundred miles out. Ka-plooey! We really are terribly vulnerable.

    I haven’t touched on the spiritual aspects much: sin, judgment, salvation. I do say here that God through Jesus forgives all who approach in faith. In Him we are redeemed, no matter how grievous the sins. I do not judge the homosexual. I want all mankind to have what is promised through Jesus: salvation, glory, a share in the allotment the Father has given to the Son and to be ours also. Jesus is the purpose of the eons, and His sacrificial blood at the cross is the vicarious payment for us all. Jesus paid it all, and does it all, for us… in our stead. All who will come to Him will receive.

  • Zack

    After reading Ron’s second, unthoughtful, uneducated, and hate filled letter I decided to do a little research on this bigot. Ron is pretty old, and likely retired. He is bored, he is probably mentally unstable (which becomes clear in his writing), and he is looking for a final way to try make amends with God before he passes so soon, which he wrongly thinks is through hating on people different then himself because of a few mis-interpreted bible verus. In the end, I don’t care to further try to argue with Ron because it is my guess he won’t be around to vote in 17 months anyways. The people who will be around to vote- the young- the smart- the educated- the understanding- the loving- will vote the right way and vote down this hateful amendment.

  • Teresa Wood

    When I read this article a few hours ago, I had to put it down and walk away because I was so irritated at this hypocritical man. Upon taking another look at it- I realized there is nothing that I can say or do to change this man’s mind. I can however give my viewpoint. I am a Christian. I am gay. I am in a commited relationship of two years with many more years to come. When I read this I was irritated that this letter to the editor was based only on the information that this man WANTED to find. If he would have gone to the Human Rights Campaign website or other websites at that he would have found information about gay people who are simply in love with someone and they want the same rights that any other couple may be given. Thats all. We are not impeding on anyone else’s marriage and would not affect anyone else’s life. There is a separation of Church and State which makes it unfair (eventhough it still happens) to use God when it is convenient. If you want to say that marriage is only for one man and one woman to reproduce- then what about those people that are barren? What about that elderly couple that found love late in life? They can’t reproduce so does that mean that their right to marry is diminished?

    As for saying that “they have an average of eight partners a year outside of their main partnership.” How is this information backed up? Not ONCE have I stepped outside of my relationship. Yes, some people do cheat, but that has nothing to do with gender or sexuality… It has to do with people’s morals. Straight people cheat, straight people enter relationships that are a year and a half long and straight people break up. It is a fact of life. Think of how many relationships you may have had before you found THE ONE. It doesnt always happen onthe first try- so, yes there are failed gay relationships, but isnt that a fact of life?

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion- that is the great part about being an American, but arent we also supposed to love and support one another? Not come up with ridiculous one sided bigotry statistics and claim them to be true? Homosexuals are not whats wrong with America, Rod Bergengren, people like you are whats wrong with America. Stop judging and just start loving and by loving I mean stop trying to say that who God made me is wrong.

  • Jared

    Dude get out of your trailer, this isn’t biblical times, last I checked it was 2011, things/ideas expire/change throughout time. We don’t segregate anymore due to the fact we learned long time ago it was unnecessary to treat others differently because of their race. This is almost the same thing. I don’t understand why all people can’t live by the golden rule, to treat others the way you want to be treated.

  • Rod Bergengren

    On the door of the gym teachers’ office, almost subterranean in aspect, of my junior high school in San Francisco, was a caricature of a humanoid gorilla… sort of a cross between Alley-Oop and a downsized Cong. “WE WELCOME YOUR PROBLEMS WITH ENTHUSIASM!!”, the caption underneath snarled.

    I do value your comments. And I won’t snarl. But to let you know in case you want to… arguing with me over Scripture pertaining to homosxuality is for you to mud-wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it.

    It’s funny. I opened up the forum to see if anything was posted about my letter to the editor. There was Karen’s. The only one. I went off-line to reply. When I came back on to post there were eight more. The Blackberries tingled. You guys… a generic ‘guys’, ok?… have a pretty good DEW line. (Distant Early Warning. It’s from the Cold War ’50s.)

    I’m marching through hallowed ground in broaching the subject, but it’s necessary. Homosexualism… there really isn’t such a word, but English is flexible… is against God and God against homosexualism. It’s sad to think in depth on it. The lost souls. Why? Why the loss? It’s a correctable situation. Jesus provides the Way, doesn’t He? It’s right there, as close to you as the printed Word.

    Please don’t think me self-sufficient in opinion of myself. I’m not. It’s that the more we read the Word, the more we realize what God expects. Really READ the New Testament.

  • Amy Bangoura

    I read about 5 lines of Mr. Bergengren’s reply before I felt more sickened by this man than I did before. He is clearly a hypocritical bigot who feels the only “right” way to live is the way he lives. I understand that people have the right to their opinions, & that the media needs to be willing to show both sides of issues like this, but for a newspaper to print a hate-filled letter like his is unacceptable! What would they do if someone sent them their opinion on African American’s or women’s rights? Would they honestly post a sexist or racist letter that spews nothing but propaganda & clear hatred for a certain group of people?! This is just outrageous!!

  • Ang Taylor

    I’m just a wee bit irritated, so bare with me.

    “Love and commitment were mentioned as though they were the norm in homosexual relationships.”

    You’re either trying to say that love and commitment are the norm in heterosexual relationships as opposed to homosexual, or that homosexual relationships are just plain incapable if containing the two. Either way, you are very wrong. How do you differentiate “types” of relationships? Gay or straight, you’re either in a relationship together or you’re not. There’s love, or there’s not. It doesn’t boil down to sexuality.

    “As http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_Statistics demonstrates, there are dozens of things wrong with the gay life, one being that homosexuals don’t usually have committed relationships with one another.”

    Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Did you just cite “CONSERVAPEDIA.COM” as a valid source to your argument? Really? An anti-gay piece of literature and you’re using a place called conservapedia.com, “the trustworthy encyclopedia”. OF COURSE it’s going to make you look “correct”….at least to people of your nature. I went to the site. I read the “statistics” and other articles. And what did I do? I laughed. Why would someone bother creating all this literature denouncing a human being for their choice in who they love? We’re talking homosexuality here. We’re not talking interspecies erotica. Do you people not have something better to do other than coming up with as many anti-gay “facts” as you have? Maybe try and help the economy a little? Shelter and feed the homeless? Rescue some abandoned pets?

    “Dr. Maria Xiridou of the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service published a study of young male Dutch homosexuals in the May 2003 issue of the journal AIDS that showed that homosexual partnerships last on average only eighteen months.”

    How is an 8 year old study done on Dutch people relevent to 2011 Minnesota? Furthermore, it’s from an issue of the journal called “AIDS”? Aren’t we a little bit on stereotype overkill? There are plenty of heterosexual relationships that last less than 18 months. Perhaps being in a long term homosexual relationship would be a bit easier if those types of relationships were given the same amount of respect and acceptance as heterosexual relationships are?

    “Love and commitment are terms being co-opted by homosexuals to serve their agenda. It is necessary to soften up America with propaganda in order to accomplish their desire, which is an unlimited supply of raw material to satisfy consumption.”

    Ohhhhhhsnap. My FAVORITE word. PROPAGANDAAA. Now we’re getting somewhere. Go to http://www.conservapedia.com. Feast your eyes on some of your propaganda. By writing this, were you not, in fact, trying to serve your very own “agenda”? Just re-read that sentence. “Love and commitment are terms being co-opted by homosexuals to serve their agenda.” You want to know the worst type of propaganda? The type that serves to encourage hate and discrimination. Good job, sir.

    As for Mr. Villarreal.

    “Prominent homosexual advocate Daniel Villarreal, lamenting that gay activists usually deny that they want to indoctrinate children, said: “Let’s face it—that’s a lie. Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach kids about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal? Recruiting children? You bet we are. We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it”.Why does their future depend on indoctrination? Because they can’t reproduce. They can only recruit. And our schools are the best source of the raw material needed to satisfy their expansive appetites.”

    Well yeah he wants to recruit. Recruit children to grow into accepting adults. Or should we be breeding ourselves some Biff Tannens? Can’t reproduce? And that is a problem why? There are heterosexual couples that are also unable to reproduce. Does that make them less worthy of love and a relationship, of marriage? We have plenty of people on this earth, Mr. Bergengren. Obviously, some much more compassionate than others.

    As for your reply. A little thing called separation of church and state. Your man God? He has absolutely no say in this. If a specific churches want to preach intolerance and not allow same sex ceremonies at their place of worship, fine. But don’t dare try and tell me that it’s okay for the government to get involved.

    Do you know why more and more of our youth are unwilling to identify themselves as christians? It’s because of people like you, Mr. Bergengren. You preach hatred and intolerance in the name of God. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • jon

    When did marriage become a Government concern? My understanding is marriage is a religious ceremony prescribed in the bible. If this is true, why do I need to need to go to the county courthouse and purchase a license to get married? Given that the government now determines who can and can not be issued a license, I would think any self respecting conservative would be screaming how the government is interfering in peoples private lives. It’s only a matter of time before the US Supreme Court will allow any legal adult to marry another legal adult, that pesky equal protection clause in the US Constitution comes into play.

  • Casey

    This is disgusting.

  • Lane

    By publishing Mr. Bergengren’s letter, this newspaper has failed in its responsibility to the community which includes those who are LGBT, their families, friends and others who love them and accept them as they are. It is one thing to express an opinion – and quite another to spread hurtful lies and disinformation with the express purpose of marginalizing and yes, even harming, a whole group of people. Shame on you, Isanti County News!

  • Aimee

    Dear Rod,

    As someone who follows Christ and his teachings, such as “love your neighbor as yourself”, I challenge you to find any place in the Bible where Jesus condemns homosexuality,

    You won’t be able to do it.

    I am a Christ-follower. I would much rather show God’s love to people, which includes giving them the benefit of the doubt, than driving them away from salvation because of six disputable verses in the Bible.

    Jesus’s washed feet, he didn’t bash people over the head, we would be wise to take a step back and model his behavior.

  • John Bovay

    @Rod Bergengren. ‘conservapedia’ LOL.

    “…and what greater decadence is there in the eyes of a moslem extremist than homosexuality?”

    Mmm… this?

    | The Social Transformation Conference & the 7M Movement: http://bit.ly/gdArvO via @addthis

    Summary: The New Apostolic Reformation’s heretical drive to convert America into a witch-hunting, theocratic horror show–and they (via their proxies & cohorts in the GOP) are gaining increasing control in a number of States. (BTW, the article includes a link to the folks at Truth Wins Out who also acknowledge this menace.)

    | If Almost 1/4 of US States Can Now Fund Creationism…: http://bit.ly/ijqdhR via @addthis

    “The Bible itself is intolerant, and true followers of God’s word should be as well.” ~ Bob Jones III, president of Bob Jones University

    Summary: These kids will be voting in a decade or so = a likely U.S. theocracy.

    The Religious Right uniting with Religious Renegades, Part 1: http://bit.ly/m8g6qn via @addthis

    Summary: The GOP is in bed with the NAR in spite of its heresies.

    BTW. There’s plenty of folks who don’t buy the Bin Laden – 9/11 scenario–including some 1,400 Degreed, Licensed and verified Architects & Engineers and quite a few pilots and fire fighters:

    AE911Truth.org: http://www.ae911truth.org/ via @addthis

    Pilots For 9/11 Truth: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ via @addthis

    Fire Fighters For 9-11 Truth » FF 911 Truth: http://firefightersfor911truth.org/ via @addthis

    “They must find it difficult… Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.” ~ G. Massey, Egyptologist

  • ash

    The pig can like to mud wrestle all he wants when it comes to scripture. When it comes to our constitution though? Sorry, no mud & no pigs allowed.

  • Aaron

    I want to thank Mr. Bergengren. I’m new to this community and don’t really have a good sense yet of how tolerant/intolerant things are around here. By writing such an ignorant and judgmental editorial, he’s ironically provided the perfect opportunity for the more reasonable members of the community to express their points of view. I’m heartened to see that there are so many other folks out there in our community who are in fact open-minded and tolerant. If it weren’t for your editorial, I wouldn’t have realized that–so, thank you!